A Tale of COVID Trade-Offs: Vaccines vs Innate and Natural Immunity with Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche

Bret speaks with Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche in Bath, England, together for the COVID Better Way Conference 2022.

Geert Vanden Bossche is a Doctor of Veterinary Medicine who has specialist expertise in virology and vaccinology, Geert has worked in industry in the construction of vaccines, and in the non profit sector working to bring immunity to larger numbers of people.

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First DarkHorse Podcast with Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche:


(00:00) Introduction
(02:10) Previous predictions
(08:06) Mass vaccination during a pandemic
(14:40) Sterilizing immunity
(17:44) T-Cell immunity
(25:52) Narrow immunity to one antigen
(36:05) Selection of vaccine-immune escaped variants
(38:43) Why are we still mass vaccinating with same antigen?
(45:20) Where would we be without the vaccines?
(52:41) Spanish Flu and natural immunity
(57:53) Why innate immunity decays
(01:07:28) Non neutralizing antibodies binding to the spike
(01:13:35) Seasonality and age
(01:18:02) Geert’s hypothesis on ivermectin dosage increase
(01:23:07) Will the virus transmit outside?
(01:27:23) Where are we now in this pandemic?
(01:35:03) Geert’s hypothesis
(01:41:33) Bret breaks down Geert’s hypothesis
(01:47:37) A new phase of the pandemic
(01:56:28) Advice to the world
(02:02:05) Wrap up

Written by Bret Weinstein


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  1. Why not make this simple for the layman. Defining going forward medical vaccines as those that create herd immunity. By preventing transmission and reinfection. And their safety as only that which has been established after rigorous and transparent testing has been done for at least 10-15 years. Since that is in keeping with what has worked in the past. Why not use a vaccine like the smallpox vaccine as the gold standard. For after many iterations it ended up working as it should.

    Why over complicate the issue. When it can easily be defined in layman’s terms. No expertise needed to understand what a safe vaccine is and isn’t.

  2. Great dialog. I can now understand a lot of what was going on in the pandemic that had puzzled me before. As for getting down in the weeds or getting too technical I think you need to have occasional videos like this and do just that, get technical. This is because when you just state conclusions or summaries, almost always, some important information is lost.

    Someone needs to do videos like this, and remember, this is the age of the internet, we can look up things you talk about if we want more information. If you never talk about such things we do not even hear something that we can research.

    Have you done a video like this with Dr. Robert Malone? That would be a very interesting video.

  3. It's soooooo good to finally hear someone talking about the Not vaccine they have been pushing for the last couple years. any historical vaccine with a failure rate even .1% of the Covid shot would have been pulled as a failure.

  4. Thanks Brett for taking the time and talking to the people from the conference in this 'sofa' setting to fill in some of the information we are itching to get from real experts that haven't swallowed the nonsense!

  5. Brett, Ran Paul was asking Dr Fauci that same thing about the antibodies, which seems to have eluded Dr Fauci because his argument on vaccinating children deals with keeping their antibodies high by boosting the children every 6 months. It’s crazy.

  6. Mesmerising superb conversation with the charismatic Geert. Such a shame though that you’re luxuriating on leather upholstered chairs from both the highly toxic and environmentally destroying abusive animal agriculture and leather/stripped off a sentient beings body evil industries! Shame! Shame! Shame! And shameful!

  7. Interesting talk but I do disagree with the conclusion that it's a bad thing that mass vaccination would speed the mutation of more transmissible variants … given that it's a coronavirus with the potential to mutate and benefit in the way that coronaviruses do, AND the fact that it can spread to animals, meant that we were never going to get rid of this thing once it had made its way across the wide world… and so we really have no idea to what extent the vaccination would contribute to the speed in doing so.. in fact one could argue that speeding the virus' way to a more transmissible form is a good thing since typically the more transmissible they are, the less deadly they become.

  8. We could only overcome the virus through natural group immunity. This was going to make it harder and harder for the original wuhan virus to reproduce. Wuhan was going to remain wuhan, but less and less large, less in number. The only right way to stop it. Mass vaccination "bred" a virus that became milder than Wuhan, but unfortunately can reproduce indefinitely (both in humans and animals). We no longer control reproduction. The giant beast that is there now we only have control of it because it is very mild. That we can no longer stop it is a certainty. That it remains mild, we must hope, but is not a certainty.
    Natural selection favors virulence when it is coupled with increased viral transmission

  9. I figured they would manage to alter ivermectin in some way, or they would have to keep avoiding trials. Blackmail, threats, bribery, or a mole or two—all useful. Money is a powerful tool.

  10. Excellent information. We need to re-gauge the levels of ivermectin required to control this emerging new wave sponsored by the zeal for forcing a bad vaccination on an at risk population and a population not at risk. Those who shut down discussion are liable and need to be dragged out and tried for crimes against society.

  11. Changed "Doesn't have a plan…to 'doesn't have an interest"… 6:18 … Plan vs having an interest. Bret seemed to think he'd changed positions on his definition, but just reframed the same anthropomorphic claim using different terms.

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