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Can we forgive people who were terrified? (from Livestream Q&A #151)

Terror, fear and thinking clearly

Clip taken from DarkHorse Podcast Livestream #151 (originally streamed live on Nov 26, 2022):
https://youtu.be/Y7XlhMvC1xY
https://open.spotify.com/episode/1dfhSZXHGkg8zpfnA39B3T
Q&A:
https://youtu.be/HcCsomJo0Ck
https://open.spotify.com/episode/672hBn8oAa6fIT4UgOz2tn

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  1. Just normal everyday ppl who were dismissive or rude, or dis-invited me to social events – those I can forgive. Some ppl thought tough love was the way to get us back in line…they truly believed the ppl in authority, so for me it just depends…case by case. Now, politicians and news ppl and doctors; I'll never forgive.

  2. Anyone who asks me:
    "Aren't you vaccinated?" Or "You aren't vaccinated?"
    Me: "Do I look that stupid?" Or "So far, no one has been vaccinated."

    My tone and answer is dependent upon their tone. When they are incredulous, I say both with a neutral tone… hopefully prompting analytical thought. If the tone is dismissive or derisive, then just the former question with an aggressive tone and often a naturally occurring gauntlet-throwing laugh.
    Otherwise, I say only the latter response as kindly as I can, hoping against hope that they will reconsider….

  3. Fear is no excuse for the absolute condemnation of people who disagree with you. I don’t buy it. If your willing to condemn others for not “believing” what you do, you better have taken a very careful look at what you believe and why.

  4. Covid Tyranny = Milgram Shock Experiment

    "The Milgram experiment(s) on obedience to authority figures were a series of social psychology experiments conducted by Yale University psychologist Stanley Milgram. They measured the willingness of study participants, 40 men in the age range of 20 to 50 from a diverse range of occupations with varying levels of education, to obey an authority figure who instructed them to perform acts conflicting with their personal conscience. Participants were led to believe that they were assisting an unrelated experiment, in which they had to administer electric shocks to a "learner". These fake electric shocks gradually increased to levels that would have been fatal had they been real."

    "The experiment found, unexpectedly, that a very high proportion of subjects would fully obey the instructions, with every participant going up to 300 volts, and 65% going up to the full 450 volts. "

    Same with all of these gov't induced social control policies. The gov't is using psychology & sociology in order to manipulate the public using mass psychosis to gain power & indoctrinate the public to embrace authoritarianism without them realizing it. Sadly it working very well for the gov't.

  5. No. The Covid zealots deserve no forgiveness. They completely shut off their brains and blindly followed a known corrupt government without question. That’s beyond insane. And then many said the government needed more power. These people deserve no pity. They deserve no forgiveness. They deserve no vote.

  6. We must forgive them by wishing them well, speaking truth, and standing up for what’s right. But if you do not forgive, then you are worse off than them…living in hate. Forgiveness means you don’t hold anything against them…but hate is judging them to hell.

  7. My wife, MY WIFE of nearly 20 years will not listen to a word I say… They have infiltrated her brain full well knowing they would be able to and she is now completely lost.

    The government has caused a divide to the workplace, families, friends, neighbors, when they are suppose to recognize the divide and work as our CONSTITUTION says towards DOMESTIC TRANQUILITY!!!!!!!!! Peace at home

  8. Even though I never believed the lies, never got the shot, I’m ashamed to say I complied with the mask-mandates at work. Everyone said “it’s not too much to ask – wearing the mask”. Like most, we’ve all been traumatized. We were ignored or laughed at, when we tried to warn the others about the dangers of the shots. The lies the msm spread & still spread. Our own political leaders, all comprimised, all corrupt. They achieved the separation, the distrust, the alienation between all of us, our family members, friends. My Grandmother use to say “You can glue a broken plate back together, but it will never be the same or as strong” The criminals should have to pay for their crimes, should be forced to tell the truth of what they’ve done, what they still plan to do. Our 3 pillars of society have been comprimised from within . . . so we need the people, the military to stand up for our freedoms. Now before it’s too late. Yes, the plate is broken. We may never find our way back to the family & friends who turned their backs on us . . . But we can still hold our heads high and know, that we were right all along!!

  9. I have heard so many people say that people's true colors showed up during the pandemic, that the friends they have lost were ultimately, no loss at all considering their ill behavior. Beyond our common vulnerable human condition, when it comes to fear, the bottom line is how one behaves in the face of such emotional stress. Being blinded by fear is a response that we can ALL succumb to. Without exception. We all have this "thing", this button that will trigger irrational behavior within us. It is inherently unavoidable. With that said, being mean, cruel and thoughtless while under pressure is a choice and a decision. A display of one's shadow character.

    I can forgive being blinded by fear. I truly can be compassionate and empathetic to the animal response. What I cannot do though, is sweep it under the rug and blame it on the fear thinking that it is a suitable justification. Wrongful behavior of such a large scale needs to be named in the public space. The emotional torturers need to be accountable for their wrongdoing, even if they claim that it was an unconscious fear-driven one. The harsh reality is that some people will go to great extents to keep their lives (and ideas) intact, and that nobody wants to admit that they are "that" ugly person because of the social shame and stigma that is attached to it. Suppression, repression and shame are the seeds of the greatest evil in this world. That is what's driving our current burning bandwagon. People doubling-down on the lies because they can't stand the shame that comes with admitting they've been bamboozled, and that it has caused them to show the ugliest side of their character.

    I can have compassion for that too, but, it is STILL a decision they are consciously making, one that I cannot bring myself to forgive.

  10. I agree with both answers to the fear question. I would add to Heather’s answer that some people have the compulsion to identify as a victim as a source of power. Our culture “rewards” victims with attention and even $$. Being a damsel or victim is a signature of learned helplessness that has been generated in our culture

  11. No. These jab junkies are the reason we are in this mess. No room to have a discussion of issues, demonizing those with a different point of view, ruining the lives of whistleblowers all for greed and control. Unacceptable, and still after all this no accountability, no jab no job still in effect…and on and on it goes….

  12. I wasn't scared, but was very concerned in February/March of 2020 when I read stories about healthy doctors dying in hospitals while treating covid. over the next few weeks I watched and learned more and realized this all appeared to be theater painted on a flu. imagine my lack of surprise a few months later when I found out those doctor stories were lies. no vax, only mask a few times when it was forced on me (maybe 12 hours total during the "pandemic") yet somehow I'm still alive…

  13. ISaved over 1,000 news article as I saw the lies from day 1. One had to read the article to the very bottom where there would be one line of truth; but in this social ‘short version, short attention span’, they read only the first 2 paragraphs, and move on to something else. I walked away from the ‘medical practice’ 25 yrs ago, and healed myself naturally. No way I was taking it. Lots of research over those years. I know my intolerances, my body. Regret not seeking info via you tube until Feb 2022. I would not have felt so alone with my fears of what the world was turning into, my thoughts, isolation. I did not fear getting the flu, as I had them during my working years. Never had another, not even a cold, since 2007. So I am a heathy senior. It’s not possible to forgive anyone for discriminating against us, they threw away our freedom to choose and because it continues. Just recently, the College of Surgeons and Physicians of Ontario (Canada), suggested as per Dec 1, 2022 update on their web site, that mental illness be considered regarding unvac patients and prescribe psychotic drugs or psychotherapy if they continue to refuse it. This will not end here. Our PM signed PZ contracts for 2023, 2024, 2025.

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