Glenn Greenwald: Nothing Trump Did Compares to the ‘Moral Evil’ of Bush’s and Obama’s Wars

The Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist on Joe Biden, free speech, and leaving The Intercept for Substack.
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No journalist is more relentlessly iconoclastic than Glenn Greenwald, who shared a 2014 Pulitzer Prize for his reporting on the Edward Snowden revelations. 

Though unapologetically progressive, the 53-year-old former lawyer never shrinks from fighting with the left. A week before the 2020 election, he quit The Intercept, the online news organization he co-founded in 2014, because, by his own account, it refused to run a story unless he “remove[d] all sections critical of” Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden. Denouncing what he called “the pathologies, illiberalism, and repressive mentality” that led him to be “censored” by his own media outlet, Greenwald railed that “these are the viruses that have contaminated virtually every mainstream center-left political organization, academic institution, and newsroom.”

Like a growing number of refugees from more-traditional news organizations, Greenwald took his talents to Substack, a platform for independent content creators to earn revenue directly from their audiences. He wasted no time lobbing grenades, posting stories and videos with titles like “No Matter the Liberal Metric Chosen, the Bush/Cheney Administration Was Far Worse Than Trump” and “The Three Greatest Dangers of Biden/Harris: Militarism, Corporatism and Censorship, All Fueled by Indifference.”

Nick Gillespie spoke with Greenwald via Zoom at Greenwald’s house in Brazil, where he lives with his husband, two children, and numerous dogs. Among other topics, they discussed what Greenwald sees as a generational fight playing out in newsrooms, the challenge identity politics poses to free expression, and whether a coalition of libertarians and progressives can effectively push non-interventionist foreign policy, lifestyle liberation, and an end to corporate subsidies during the Biden presidency.

Narrated by Nick Gillespie. Edited by Regan Taylor, John Osterhoudt, and Lex Villena.

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  1. Gillespie @32:00 "The right has its own problem in that it's never been particularly interested in heterodox ideas, I think" So tired of that trope. It's dishonest and paints an entire demographic with the same brush. If that were the case, I'd not follow Glenn nor anyone else who the left paints as a victim of right-think. Grow up. That said, I really respect Glenn for standing up against censorship and appreciate his honesty.

  2. Trump hasn't carried the ball for Israel the way the NeoCons want him to, ergo he is evil. The embassy and Golan Heights and Soleimani and WB Annexation are great, but clearly not enough. He has seven weeks to get his shit wired tight and attack Iran.

  3. GG's characterization of Omidyar's role in The Intercept sounds fishy. I don't buy the idea he is hands off and non-ideological. His behavior elsewhere contradicts this.

  4. Trump is idiot for not seeing through the media mafia and take counter action. Just don't give them sound bites, but this old trump thought as per his book, played AlPHA male , ended up surrounded by jackals and foxes who tore him apart. He should have changed his image and released documents with facts, use twitter to dispel the accusations instead of whatever he writes. He helped himself to be defeated with huge media and deep state lobby against him

  5. 0:06 …not for the lack of trying. The assassination of general Quasem Soleimani was a notable attempt. Most recently the murder of Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, which Israel gets blamed for, was certainly sanctioned by the Trump administration. Let's not forget his almost first act in office, the assault on Syria after unconfirmed reports of gas attacks by the Assad government. Those report turned out to be unsubstantiated.
    Tell me, how many wars did Trump actually stop? Are economic sanctions similar to war? That question needs to be answered by the people who suffer under them.
    To think Trump is better than his predecessors, is like saying that the institution of government has changed overnight and acts with conscience and empathy for others.