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Michael Tracey and Aaron Maté survey the Trump/Russia wreckage

Michael Tracey (@mtracey) and Aaron Maté (@aaronjmate) discuss the calamity of Russiagate, including the unique complicity of “progressive” media in legitimizing the fraud, the bizarre saga of @emptywheel, and much more.

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  1. I'm going to go look up Aarons big article on Rachael Maddow. I will have to replay this podcast and take notes on all the articles and video's u referred to. I felt very alone the past 3 years screaming into the wind and being D friended by my open minded left wing friends

  2. I was never taken in by the #RussiaGate conspiracy theory.

    It was always an impossible claim, right from the start. Even the Russians, could never have managed to swing a $7 billion dollar US Presidential election. Not even a $2 billion dollar Hillary Clinton campaign, could win the election for Hillary.

    The Russians could have “attempted” to move the election, but to somehow “get Trump elected”, was always completely ludicrous.

  3. I was never taken in by the #RussiaGate conspiracy theory.

    It was always an impossible claim, right from the start. Even the Russians, could never have managed to swing a $7 billion dollar US Presidential election. Not even a $2 billion dollar Hillary Clinton campaign, could win the election for Hillary.

    The Russians could have “attempted” to move the election, but to somehow “get Trump elected”, was always completely ludicrous.

  4. tracey cant stop talking, man let the other guy say a word… lord… tracey has such a weak personality, he is 'kinda' right on one issue, then he starts to troupledown on it, he cant stop hyperventileting…

  5. Trump got rid of the ISIS caliphate and then wanted to leave Syria but then he would be considered a pawn of Russia. I think Trump is anti-war but will war when needed (I'm fine with him killing off ISIS but then I want out of Syria and don't like the Intelligence Agencies and the MSM making him stay in Syria due to optics). I think if he wins in 2020 he will pull out of Syria. The entire establishment is out to get him….the intelligence agencies spied on him and so much more.
    Trump has done a lot (I disagree with you) and like him more than any Democrat or Republican (I kind of like Rand Paul but I don't want him as President).

  6. I, too, thought Russiagate was nonsense from day one, literally the minute I heard it. This is coming from someone to the left of Bernie. But calling Russiagate promoters "Truthers" is so incredibly stupid. This whole division of the media around this issue using the Russiagate litmus test happened exactly around 9/11 Truth as well. Sorry you guys are late to the party, but all this already happened during the GWB years. You can't stop what's coming anymore, so get off Twitter and start preparing.

  7. Aaron is mistaken that trumps anti-interventionism was some kind of calculated con that he saw worked with voters. Listen to any episode of Howard stern from the 1990s (there are tons on YouTube). Stern says pretty much every major thing trump said on the campaign: we need to get out of other countries, we need to build a wall to keep out illegal immigrants, the u.s. needs to stop paying for other countries defense. All of those points were the modal blue-collar view in the New York area back then. Isolationism was popular with a lot of republicans, and working class democrats, especially in New York pre-9/11. Trump did not “discover” these views on the campaign.

  8. So TYT who supposedly hate the Clinton's got mad at Alex Jones and Roger Stone over crashing their "set" (it wasn't a set, they were in the Media Row they had a space to broadcast from but it certainly wasn't "their set") at the RNC to hand them a Bill Clinton "RAPE" shirt and call them liars and hatchet men, called Jones a "fat fuck" mused that Trump would appoint Jones and Stone would be appointed to Trump's cabinet and they would be targeted by the Trump White House all the while they know that Bill Clinton did rape women. I mean I get that Jones is an insane and obnoxious blowhard but Cenk is too so what are they yelling about? They never asked Jones to leave. Cenk saw the shirt and got up and started yelling and name calling. And for everyone praising Jimmy Dore now I agree he's much better at journalism even though he's not a journalist but he hypocritically spat on Jones too. My point is not that Jones and Stone are great guys. My point is that TYT are NOT PROGRESSIVE they are liars, hypocrites, crisis actors and activists pushing a clear-narrative to get cherry picked supposed progressive candidates into office and push an agenda. I don't find Justice Democrats in any way progressive except rhetoric Khana is ok but I know him personally and he is shady and corrupt but whatever at least he's effective and not a total hypocrite. I still think Dems can do better but I wouldn't call for his resignation but AOC and Omar? Come on, your joking they are not progressive they are oppurtunists parroting Zack Exley talking points. I find TYT and even Secular Talk dishonest and disgusting. Progressives are supposed to have high standards and principles . Caricatures of candidates, mocking John McCain and his family, homophobic jokes directed at Jones and Stone. How is any of this progressive? I fail to see it.

  9. Your dick gets harder from the Barr report then Trump's. Can't wait to hear what else comes out. You're terrible on all levels.

  10. Michael, I heard someone describe your work lately as being a "I told you so" tour. I thought it was hilarious, even if it was supposed to be an insult. I love what you're doing. Thank you.

  11. Michael please stop interrupting Aaron before he manages to speak a full sentence. You don't have to give voice to every thought that enters your head.

  12. The NY Times got a Pulitzer for getting everything wrong about Russiagate. The guys who got it right like you, Greenwood, Mate are ignored.

  13. I laughed at the notion of Russiagate just about from the very beginning, although I did give it enough time for a fair hearing. When people started insisting that it must be true and using more bandwagon arguments and ad hominem arguments than any other type of argument, I knew that it was probably bullshit and, even if true, there wasn't enough evidence for it. I leaned more toward it being bullshit because if something simply doesn't have enough evidence for it, people usually don't insist that it's true even if they themselves believe it. I realized that it was being insisted upon because it was intended to be propaganda.

  14. Coming out of the Paris accords has been among one of the best things Trump has done. It was a bullshit plan designed only to milk US tax payers.

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