New York Times abandons all reason over transgender swimmer Lia Thomas (from Livestream #119)

Clip taken from DarkHorse Podcast Livestream #119 (originally streamed live on March 19, 2022):


Lia Thomas wins an N.C.A.A. swimming title. New York Times:

Should trans-women compete against women in professional sports? (On Heather’s Patreon, 2019):

Sell et al 2012. The Importance of Physical Strength to Human Males. Human Nature 23:30–44.

Hilton & Lundberg 2021. Transgender Women in the Female Category of Sport: Perspectives on Testosterone Suppression and Performance Advantage. Sports Medicine (2021) 51:199–214:

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  1. "Decreases muscle mass and hemoglobin levels,.." Somebody at NYT needs to connect with a sports scientist working the field of competitive swimming. They would learn that swimming success is mainly a function of surface area; particularly that of the hands and feet which push against water.

  2. If I was a female athlete who sacrificed everything to reach the top of my sport, I would be pissed off that someone with an obvious unfair advantage was allowed to compete. It is not right plain and simple!

  3. I am one of the trans people you are talking about who sees that this makes no sense. I think there are really 2 problems here. The first is when we do speak out, no paper will cover it so we it's in effect not that different from not speaking out. The second one is the trans "Community" is especially toxic. As visible as this is from the outside it's somehow worse on the inside. When we speak out, we get treated as absolute garbage and dragged through the mud.

  4. Seems like a simple solution is simply to create trans events where they compete against each other. We do that for special Olympics. Something similar could be created for fairness.

  5. Fast forward 20 years and this sorts itself out. The first 3-4 trans Olympic champions will see to that. Until then, though, many of the potentially incredible young female athletes will be trampled, discouraged, marginalized, and otherwise cease to be athletes. To the parents of those girls: you are having something precious taken from you. Don't tolerate this.

  6. The real scary thing is these college aged real females are so brain-washed that they're actually letting this happen to them instead of using a well placed foot to figure it out once and for all.

  7. Sorry Brett, that idea of agreeing to treat a trans person as their chosen gender "so long as it doesn't harm anyone else" is fundamentally flawed. Misrepresenting what you know is true hurts everyone.

  8. The crunch will come when transgender "competitors" come first, second, third and fourth.
    On a constructive note, maybe trans should carry calculated weight penalties as do some race horses. (However, we have to avoid calling it a "handicap". Don't go there, sister)

  9. Call this out for what it very much looks to be – nothing more than shameless, blatant & cynical cheating.

    I'm pretty sure that if the, very fair, suggestion of 'open' & 'protected biological female' sports competition classes is adopted – then this surreal phenomenon will simply vanish.

    It would then no longer pay off to cynically exploit this manufactured loop hole.

  10. Hunter and Joe Biden and all Medical doctors like Dr.Fauci and Gupta and me were told vaccines are totally safe, totally work, and have no side effects..

    My chef knows and can name every ingredient in my soup…My doctor cannot name even 1 ingredient in my vaccines…

    I am an M.D. from Florida,USA..

    Facial diapers and the Mask dictators and this mask propaganda and Pfizer and vaccines and boosters have failed. Pediatricians get paid with a kickback from the HMOs for vaccinating your kids..Did Pfizer lie???..Cheat???…Hide the problems???.. Did (y)our FDA and CDC and Fauci????….

    Remind Pfizer or Mr.Science of the facts or prove me wrong….I have natural immunity now ..I am NOT vaccinated and Not contagious..Like Queen Elizabeth, Pres. Trump, and over 3 Billion people, I have Lifetime Immunity…

    I got COVID this year for 2 days and was cured in 2 days with Zinc, Vitamin C & D, and the Nobel Prize-winning medicine from the M.D. , known as the Joe Rogan "I" Pills"…

    I am an M.D. that treats Covid patients…Fauci has not treated patients in almost 40 years…Fauci has 1 order= take vaccines and then boosters forever..The Chinese ALPHA (SARS-CoV2) evolved over 2 years into DELTA which evolved into "OMICRON", a benign childhood common cold for most of the world…

    Vaccines against ALPHA do not work…

    Masks do not work…Spreading 6 ft. apart does not work..

    In over 400 TV interviews Fauci has not told us how to improve our immune system..I got Covid in 2021 and was cured in less than 3 days with the legal human pills ordered by my M.D. that won the NOBEL PRIZE and has been safely taken for over 20 years by over 4 Billion people..I immediately recovered my taste and smell with ZINC..

    I worked at Tuskeegee treating the Black survivors after the US Nuremberg experiments were revealed..I am an M.D and have more vaccine facts for your viewers/supporters…Vaccines DO NOT work..Boosters DO NOT work..Jen Psaki is visible proof== COVID VACCINES DO NOT WORK…SURVIVING REAL COVID IN OCTOBER NOW GIVES HER LIFETIME, ROBUST, FULL IMMUNITY..

    My mother was an R.N…She was Head Nurse for the ER …She voted in every election…She went to every PTA meeting for the 5 of us..She stopped giving vaccines when she saw the reactions..She would not trust or believe the Chinese or W.H.O. or Fauci..

    My sister was an charge of the Vaccination Department for the County Health Dept. She and her staff gave 100,000's of vaccines and then quit when she saw the reactions…She would not believe or trust China or W.H.O. or Fauci.

    My wife was an R.N. and she did not believe Fauci either..

    My 2 brothers were M.D.'s= OB-GYNs bringing life into the world and they did not believe Fauci and stopped giving vaccines when they saw the reactions..

    I am also an M.D. and my children, mother, and brother have had these reactions with prior vaccines..I will not discuss my side effects..I work on the front line treating patients face-to-face but did not take the COVID mRNA vaccines…

    In 2021 I got COVID and I was cured with 'SPIvermectin' ($18).- Now I am now blocked from FDA & CDC & CNN & Facebook–What did I say–"Research what FAUCI says…Research what I say."I am seeing co-workers, friends, and patients with COVID vaccine side effects…

    COVID vaccines are not what we were promised.Did you ever wonder why Fauci has never told us how to improve our immune system in 450 TV interviews?

    I wish we had mandatory Vitamin C and vitamin D and Zinc and SPIvermectin, being considered by the politicians instead of mandatory, forced vaccines and boosters forever and mandatory mask mandates that are planned…

    Fauci funded Gain of Function GMO mutant, lethal viruses and Paid to torture baby puppies..Don’t be me. I am an M.D. but let me tell you what parents, politicians, teachers, neighbors, the media, and even doctors didn’t know..

    We did not know that Vaccines had not been tested…We did not know the ingredients of vaccines. We did not know enough to research vaccines before vaccinating my own children..We did not know that vaccines were given a blanket indemnity from liability in 1986 (they cannot be sued)..We did not know that we gave more vaccines than any other country…

    We did not know that we are the only country that gives newborn babies Hepatitis B vaccines ( against a sexually transmitted disease) on the 1st day of life..

    We did not know that the US has the highest rate of SIDS in the industrialized world on the 2nd day of life… We did not know that we had more autism than any other country..We did not know that Vaccines could injure an infant's brain (encephalitis) ..

    We did not know that vaccines can result in autoimmunity and neurological damage..We did not know that the much-ballyhooed fallacy of ''herd immunity'' does NOT apply to vaccines and is a myth created by the CDC and by Merck Vaccine Company for the media to tell us is the reason to get vaccines..We did not know that Vaccines have almost NO effect after about four years and the new COVID vaccine only lasts 4 months..We did not know that more college students are getting mumps and measles because they have no protection from these childhood illnesses from their vaccines….We did not know that the measles vaccine only comes in the MMR now but the single version of just the measles vaccine was safer and not causing autism..We did not know that Dr.Wakefield was proven to be right…We did not know that when adults get their DPT vaccines to visit their grandchildren that the "P" pertussis = whooping cough infection is actually still alive in them then and they are then contagious like "Typhoid Mary'', and these adults are actually carrying the infection and then spreading pertussis=whooping cough…We did not know how emotional the topic would be and how angry people would be at me for just asking questions about Vaccine Safety..I did not know that pediatricians do not even know the vaccine ingredients, like mercury, aluminum, and Human DNA and neurotoxic aluminum molecules and glyphosate…We did not know that pediatricians were paid a ''kick-back'' to give vaccines.We did not know there was a law to report vaccine reactions but almost zero pediatricians know that and about zero vaccine reactions are ever reported.We did not know it was called VAERS (look it up)…I did not know that there is a "Vaccine Court" that doles out money to vaccine victims…I did not know that it has already paid out over $$$ 4 Billion dollars .. We did not know that the CDC owned the Patents on vaccines and earned billions of dollars a year selling vaccines worldwide.We did not know that the US government promised countries financial aid only if they ordered their people to take the CDC's vaccines and the US CDC now controls the W.H.O. and the vaccine makers now control the CDC..WTH!!.. I did not know how angry at myself I would be for not knowing..We did not know that the CDC committed fraud…We did not know that it would take a CDC whistleblower to discover the CDC fraud… We did not know that Merck committed fraud repeatedly…I bet you did not know that the mercury and aluminum in vaccines is connected to brain inflammation and brain inflammation is connected to autism and connected to my mother's Alzheimer's (everyone's Alzheimer's) ..I did not know that a flu vaccine could kill you like it killed my brother by causing Guillain-Barre Paralysis.. We did not know how much mainstream media would censor the independent research.. I did not know it would take me so many years to wake up…We did not know how fast and furious the vaccine makers would be to smear excellent doctors and researchers that showed unsafe side-effects, just like what happened when Vioxx and Thalidomide and DDT and cigarettes were questioned..We did not know that the CDC has never studied a group that is divided into a ''vaccinated group'' and compared them to an ''unvaccinated group''..We did not know that every other independent researcher who has done the comparison between those 2 groups has shown that the UN-vaccinated group is healthier and the VAXinated group has many times more asthma, SIDS, auto-immune diseases, ADD, ADHD, autism, chronic rashes, deadly allergic reactions to peanuts, milk, beef, latex, etc. and their parents need to carry Epi-Pens..We did not know that the Vaccine researchers studied African children and found that the children there who GOT vaccinated, especially with the CDC's DPT vaccine were 5 times (Yes, five times) for likely to die before the age of 5.We did not know that the doctors on every news show who are the vaccine maker's mouthpieces were actually getting millions from the vaccine profits and were never questioned or exposed ………..Prove me wrong

  11. If it's all about inclusion, then I, a 5'0" 49-yo woman demand to be allowed to be a pitcher in Major League Baseball, since I've always dreamed of being a pro baseball player but have been excluded from my dream my whole life.

  12. Question?
    If a SHE has balls and SHE is accidentally kicked in Her Balls, will she react as a "Woman or a Man" ? 🦶🦵🦶🏊‍♀️🏊‍♂️🏊‍♀️

  13. The NYT defending Lia Thomas is only one example of what the neo-Marxist left is attempting to do: leftists are trying to destroy the foundations of reasoned, logical debate. To the degree that they succeed in this, they will make it extremely difficult to oppose their agenda. They are trying to perform what is perhaps the most insidious attempt to overturn all the norms of American society and by extension all Western cultural values. This has all the signs of an existential crisis.

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