Tension between progressivism and conservatism (from Livestream #94)

Clip taken from DarkHorse Podcast Livestream #94 (originally streamed live on August 28, 2021):


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In this 94th in a series of live discussions with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying (both PhDs in Biology), discuss the state of the world though an evolutionary lens. Find more from us on Bret’s website ( or Heather’s website (

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  1. "The totalist environment draws a sharp line between those whose right to existence can be recognized, and those who possess no such right. In thought reform, as in Chinese Communist practice generally, the world is divided into the "people" (defined as "the working class, the peasant class, the petite bourgeoisie, and the national bourgeoisie"), and the "reactionaries" or "lackeys of imperialism" (defined as "the landlord class, the bureaucratic capitalist class, and the KMT reactionaries and their henchmen"). Mao Tsetung makes the existential distinction between the two groups quite explicit:

    Under the leadership of the working class and the Communist Party, these classes [the people] unite together to form their own state and elect their own government [so as to] carry out a dictatorship over the lackeys of imperialism. . . . These two aspects, namely, democracy among the people and dictatorship over the reactionaries, combine to form the people's democratic dictatorship … . to the hostile classes the state apparatus is the instrument of oppression. It is violent, and not "benevolent." . . . Our benevolence applies only to the people, and not to the reactionary acts of the reactionaries and reactionary classes outside the people."

    Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism
    Robert Jay Lifton, M.D.
    Published 1961

  2. In Orwellian style, the left wants to erase the past and try things that have already been tried and failed. No government prior to 1776 ever had a constitution the way we have. This has born the most innovative free and an authoritarian country especially through some of it’s growing pains to the point where we have lived in a golden age that you see now as we shift farther left is deteriorating. Marxism and progressive policies will only continue to spiral this country away from God and into oblivion.

  3. It's pretty easy to live without hatred of your political opposites. Assume that your "adversary" genuinely wants what they feel is best for the country. Disagreeing with their vision is healthy. Believing that they are evil because of those views is disgusting.

  4. We conservatives are not trying to take away the right to free speech or the right to bear arms from anyone. We are not trying to force injections on the lefty's. We are not calling for violence against them. We are not trying to force a divisive racist theory on them. All of this though the left is trying to do to us. And this is just a few examples. There is no coming to terms with people who hate you and are trying to destroy your way of life.

  5. I use to be a independent but the left has become so far gone it is impossible to take anything they say seriously. I don't think anyone should be supporting them anymore period. A huge majority of them believe we should be communists and even more than that think we should have no boarders and not even be a country anymore. Many of them want to destroy our history. I am an Atheist who is siding with a group of people who can't stop blaming atheists for everything because they are religious nut jobs. But I would rather side with those nut jobs that the fools on the left anymore. At least the Right actually gives a crap about the country

  6. I am a hard core Trump supporting Conservative, but I enjoy listening to you both because I was raised by a very Liberal (Socialists actually) Lesbian parents. The one thing they made sure of was that I not fall into a bubble. They required that I present a logical reason for my beliefs, and that I could present them without having to attack my opponents and show respect to those that have shown me respect. You both would encourage me to think deeper and be able to present my beliefs in a logical and well thought-out manner. Thank you both for being here.

    On a side note, how much damage do you think Dr. Fauci has done to to scientific community with his lies about funding GAIN-OF-FUNCTION research.

  7. Wait a minute. Progress is needed? Really now. You talk about the right and their climate change denial without ever touching on the fact that if it is in fact man made climate change it is progressivism / the left and the forward motion that has made it happen. Personally as someone on the new right that loves studying this planet and it’s climate history as well as its past cataclysmic events I think climate change is very real, but has little to do with humans and that humans have little to no chance of changing the earths climate. We can’t even successfully leave Afghanistan with pride. I think people need to lose their god complex and sit the hell down.

    BTW I am having a bit of fun with this one.

  8. I use to be very left in most of my views. But bc of this COVID crap, I am seeing more view pts of the right such as increases censorship, and controls that gov tries to impose. I never thought I'd say this, at this pt I belong to no side.

  9. I listen to all sides of an issue and judge each one on its own merits. Clinging to party or ideology is what blinds us. None of us are perfect and we all make errors. The key is to see them and correct.

  10. I would love to hear a similar debate about the tension between those who want “more government” and those who want “less government” as another aspect of our political divide.

  11. What exactly do you think the contemporary left sees with clarity? The right IS correct–humans aren't killing the planet. If you want evidence of the left's bad science, look up the Inuit elders and what they're saying about climate change. Climate is changing–but there's a reason that those elders see while our left intentionally ignores. Bad science for political reasons DEFINES the left. This is not going to end in compromise. Compromise with the left if caving to totalitarian communism that right now controls all means of communication.

  12. I like these two but her description of right versus left along some kind of axis of forward thinking versus maintaining the past is very simplistic. They ignore all the other axes between what is commonly believed to be left versus right.

  13. Apart from Trump obsession, election fraud, and the idea that Covid-19 is one big conspiracy, what has the right done to gain equal status to that of the left? I get it. I'm conservative. Always have been, always will be. I know my party has blemishes, and I often find myself wanting to listen to Libertarians over Conservatives. There's corruption, and there are career politicians. But I reject the idea that Republicans can even hold a candle to the insanity on the left. I mean the list is large folks. BLM, Antifa, critical race theory, climate change, Trump derangement syndrome, mask obsessions, vaccination obsessions, illegal immigration/open borders, uncontrolled spending, uncontrolled taxation, gov't overreach/socialistic ideals, lack of foreign policy, energy costs/electric pipe dreams, and the small issue of them wanting to tear down anything and everything that resembles our Constitution and/or freedoms and liberties. They are completely off the rails, but to be fair, so is the right? Not even close. I hate it when the discussion is framed this way. I've got open ears, but it's a flat out lie to put us in the same boat. I'm proof. I love Dark Horse. I often agree with their conclusions. The left doesn't even want to come to the table to dialogue. They are militant on "progressing" without any vision or end goal of what they are progressing towards.

  14. Brings back the videos from Campus Reform where they ask progressive and conservative students if they would be friends with someone from the opposing group. All is the progressives said not a chance, no way, but happening. Nearly all, if not all, conservatives said sure, is they will let me have my own opinion and not shut me down.

  15. What is the evolutionary benefit of killing off our offspring???? Why does the good of the individual always trump the good of society? It's called selfishness. Morality has a purpose. This is the main difference between the right and the left.

  16. Left vs right isn't about world views (conservatism, liberalism etc), its simply economics: communism vs capitalism. Its quite possible to be a conservative liberal or a liberal conservative. Its not possible to be a capitalistic communist. Conservatives tend to be capitalists and Liberals tend to be communistic (or socialistic) but these views can change all the time, most people sit loosely in the middle on most topics, more left or right on others. In regards to political spectrums, the left is generally totalitarian in nature (Soviet Russia, North Korea, Nazi Germany, Venezuela etc), the right are countries with freedoms and republic/democratic processes lead, arguably, by the USA.

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