What would Aaron Schwartz do? (from Livestream #104)

Clip taken from DarkHorse Podcast Livestream #104 (originally streamed live on November 14, 2021):


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In this 104th in a series of live discussions with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying (both PhDs in Biology), discuss the state of the world though an evolutionary lens. Find more from us on Bret’s website ( or Heather’s website (

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  1. It reminds me of the era where the Priests used to be the ONLY ones that were allowed to read the Bible/Scripture.
    They kept the Bible from being translated into language for the common man. That obviously led to Tyranny and Authoritarianism by these Priests over the people.
    It was only until the common man got to read the Bible for themselves and found that God wanted a personal relationship with His children and it liberated the believing masses a freedom and spiritual access.
    Curious how a similar the 'Dark Age of Science' is being played out now under the belief that people cannot understand the journal papers or the complexity of the contents because they don't have the 'education'. That may be true to a degree but like myself I learn from these such challenges. If I don't know something, a term, an action, or the like I will study to find that meaning so I can learn from the details within a journal entry or whitepaper.

    I've studied several years the environment/climate because I was hearing too many conflicting pieces of data so I started to watch lectures on the many subjects by those that are prominent in their field, and although I do not have a formal education in climate I learnt, not just the superficial but did deep dives into the terms and concepts, so I could better understand the topic.
    When people ask did you have formal training I'm in two minds because I feel myself I have had training the formal venues provide, and I know how to read. Just because I taught myself should be irrelevant.
    I taught myself many aspects of Computer Technology and was in the IT Profession for 30+yrs – there wasn't a question as to whether I knew what I was doing. People were more taken aback when they find that I taught myself. They quickly understood how I was able to impart in a language they would understand how to resolve an issue they had in a way they were able to grab hold of and implement the next time they had a similar issue.

    Science is like any other, if you learn the terms and principles that are rules within science you are able to not only learn but comprehend the subject matter. I say open up the journals for access by everyone. It isn't black magic they are protecting from the masses, it is their reputation and own standing in their field that they are more concerned with by keeping everything hidden and dark.

  2. Corporation libraries may arrange for their employees to have privileges at a state university library. When I worked at the Boeing plant in Huntington Beach, California I could do research at the very good UC Irvine library, receive help at the Resource Desk, etc., just like a faculty member. Now that I no longer work for Boeing I can't do research at the UC Irvine library. I'd be willing to pay for a day ticket to the library if such a thing ever becomes available.

  3. I spent weeks inside UC Berkeley's old bioscience library in the early-mid 90s using the science citation index to follow literature trails like Brett described, then finding the physical volumes of bound journals, and laboriously copy the articles page-by-page until I had amassed about a foot-and-a-half tall stack of copied articles and then return the next day to repeat. Literature searches used to be a physical exercise. Crazy.

  4. I tried using inter library loans for research article pdfs for my online masters. It was so slow and cumbersome that I quickly found another avenue to read exactly the same thing within minutes rather than days.

  5. "The Church" used to resist the congregation having access to the scripture and the ability to form their own opinions, perhaps this is similar. Controlling access allows for controlling interpretation.

  6. The point Heying makes at ~5:15 is extremely important and trenchant. She describes how stove-piping is achieved in order to interfere with associative thinking. Even individuals with exceptional cognitive skills are herded into this apparatus of capture and made docile…quite easily.

  7. The developer of Sci-hub is a hero. She is brilliant and brave and exactly what we need. And deserve! Especially when much of the research is being funded by tax dollars! Thank you, once again, Bret and Heather!! 👏👏👏

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